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—– Original Message —– From: “Duncan Maccubbin” To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2
> Uhhh…the fact it comes up every two months and lives for a while shows > lots of people care. > > > —–Original Message—– >>From: “Carl Yost Jr.” >>Sent: Mar 11, 2008 7:23 AM >>To: ccielab@groupstudy.com >>Subject: Re: How to Become a CCIE v2 >> >>Here we go again…. Wah wah wah… >> >>These OT posts about this stuff is really doesn’t help in the spirit of >>the forum. Isn’t there an OT list that could be created for this stuff ? >> >>Seriously every two months you see this break out. CCIE vs degrees vs >>….. How can anyone compare a CCIE to a PHD? Seriously let it go, no >>one cares. >> >> >> >>nrf wrote: >>>> Many managers have no idea how tough the CCIE is. But then again, >>>> can you >>>> blame them? Lately there seems to be an outpouring of posts on >>>> people passing >>>> the CCIE in 3, or even 2 months. How many people have completed their >>>> Master’s degrees in two months? If it was accredited, I’ll bet the >>>> answer is >>>> 0. >>> >>> Actually, not only do I completely agree with you here, I’ll not only >>> call you, but also raise you. While managers may not have any idea >>> how tough the CCIE is, well, let’s be honest guys, how tough is it >>> really, relative to other credentials one could earn? Few if any >>> people can earn a real (that is, an accredited) master’s degree in >>> just 2-3 months, and certainly earning a Phd in such a time frame is >>> infeasible for all except supra-geniuses, as even Einstein needed over >>> a year to be awarded his. Heck, since the MIT PhD was brought up, I >>> know quite a few people who have been working on their PhD’s at MIT >>> for over 6 years full-time who still haven’t completed the degree. To >>> repeat, that’s working on the degree FULL-TIME, which means they don’t >>> have a job (in other words, earning the degree IS their job). >>> Honestly, how many of us would really need 6 years of full-time study >>> in order to pass the CCIE? Hence, while I realize that this is a >>> discordant position to take, the fact is, the CCIE isn’t that weighty >>> of an accomplishment, relative to some of those other credentials. >>> >>> I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: what severely weakens the >>> difficulty of the CCIE is the fact that you can simply take it over >>> and over and over again until you finally pass. Sure, it costs money, >>> sure it takes time, but nevertheless you can just keep taking the test >>> repeatedly until you finally get the particular set of questions that >>> you know well. That sort of process has no parallel in those other >>> credential processes. For example, take the PhD qualification exams >>> (which don’t allow you to graduate, but merely allow you to advance to >>> candidacy status). Almost all respectable programs have a finite >>> limit to the number of times you can fail those exams, usually being >>> 2-3 attempts, with some (harsh) programs allowing you only ONE >>> attempt. Once you exceed that threshold, that’s it: the game is over >>> and you’re officially and irrevocably expelled from the program. >>> Similarly, once you’re a candidate who has submitted your thesis, you >>> can’t just keep failing your oral defense over and over again until >>> you finally succeed. After a certain number of defense failures, your >>> candidacy will be revoked. But a CCIE “candidate” can repeatedly >>> attempt the test with impunity. >>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> Subscription information may be found at: >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >> >>_______________________________________________________________________ >>Subscription information may be found at: >>http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html