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Tony Schaffran
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—–Original Message—– From: Yinglam Cheung [mailto:ccie6961@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:24 PM To: tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com; ‘Chirag Arora’ Cc: ‘CCIE LAB’ Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
I won’t rely on Feature Navigator. L2VPN is in 12.2S in 7200vxr. Last time I worked with 12.2(25)S though the successor of 12.2S now is 12.2SB.
Tony Schaffran wrote:
By the way, L2VPN does not appear to be supported on the 7200 either according to the feature navigator. Apparently, that feature is specific to the 7500 router.
Tony Schaffran Network Analyst CCIE #11071 CCNP, CCNA, CCDA, NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE
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—–Original Message—– From: Chirag Arora [mailto:carora1977@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:04 PM To: Tony Schaffran Cc: ccie6961@yahoo.com; Carlos Manjarres; Scott Morris; Joshua Lauer; CCIE LAB Subject: Re: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
As many people said, 7200 is usually the lowest PE/P box that SPs deploy for MPLS networks. Also features like L2VPN, TE , AToM INterworking aren’t suppported on 2800/3800 though they support L3VPN with very few VRfs. L2TPv3 is supported on almost all the platforms including the ISRs 2800.
chirag
On 7/19/06, Tony Schaffran wrote:
Interesting.
Thank you.

Tony Schaffran
Network Analyst
CCIE #11071
CCNP, CCNA, CCDA,
NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE

www.cconlinelabs.com
Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals.

—–Original Message—– From: Yinglam Cheung [mailto:ccie6961@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:33 AM To: Tony Schaffran; ‘Carlos Manjarres’; ‘Scott Morris’; ‘Joshua Lauer’; ‘CCIE LAB’ Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
I think you may be comparing wrong IOS branches. For SP features on 7200VXR, you should look at 12.0S or 12.2SB feature sets instead of 12.4T or 12.4.
There are some major differences in features. These are some I can think of:
1. L2VPN or AToM using LDP targetted session. low end routers like ISR only supports l2tpv3 for L2VPN. This also includes L2VPN interworking and local switching. 2. TE FRR. Fast ReRoute is only supported in 12.0S and 12.2SX (7600/6500 platforms). 3. BGP optimizations: it was done first on 12.0S, not sure if it’ll be integrated into other branches. There are lots of optimizations, and you can
look at 12.0S features in CCO.
There are many minor features in protocols. Best way is to look at new features in CCO.
Other things I can think of are hardware. Since POS interfaces are common in SP environment, and the entry-level router for POS is 7200VXR. hope they’ll put in a NPE-G1 or NPE-G2 instead of slower NPE.
I think Cisco is making right move to make the lab more like real world. I did mention something like that in my CCIE program survey.
Tony Schaffran wrote:
Yes, there are some minor differences, but nothing significant.
Like Scott described, I think it is more the fact that most people cannot separate the lab environment from the real world and were probably complaining too much.

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—–Original Message—– From: Carlos Manjarres [mailto:c_manjarres@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:10 AM To: Scott Morris; tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com; ‘Joshua Lauer’; ‘CCIE LAB’ Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab???
I think that they are introducing the Cisco 7200 because is a real SP plattform . Some of the features that they can ask with the Cisco 7200 are:
- Cisco7200 as Label Switch Controller - Local switching - AToM - Like to like and Interworking. I don’t know whether AToM is suported on the Cisco 2800. - MPLS TE - Inter Area AS Support - MPLS TE - Forwarding adjacency
I am still looking what else is different.
Best regards,
Carlos Manjarres Systems Engineer CCIE #7021
— Scott Morris wrote:
> I think part of what it is is that people whine and > complain. No “serious” > SP will be using 2600’s and 2800’s or 3600/3700/3800 > in the core of their > network. Some people simply cannot separate a > testing environment from the > real thing despite the fact that technologies (as > tested) work the same > either place. > > The use of the 7200 would make it more “real”. > Other than that, I’m at a > loss. There are some extra features, at least with > the likes of the NP-1GE > or NP-2G processors… But otherwise, unless > they’re going to bring in some > OSR7600’s ESR10K’s or GSR12K’s I don’t think there > will be any sort of major > difference in the lab other than topology and sheer > number of interfaces. > > *shrug* Just my viewpoint. Unless they have > something incredibly heinous > in mind that I just haven’t thought of yet! > > > Scott Morris, CCIE4 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service > Provider) #4713, JNCIE > #153, CISSP, et al. > CCSI/JNCI-M/JNCI-J > smorris@ipexpert.com > http://www.ipexpert.com > > > > —–Original Message—– > From: Tony Schaffran > [mailto:tschaffran@cconlinelabs.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:07 AM > To: swm@emanon.com ; ‘Joshua Lauer’; ‘CCIE LAB’ > Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP > lab??? > > That is probably more likely the reason I guess, but > SONET interfaces have > been around for a while like the 7200. Why now > highlight the 7200? > > Tony Schaffran > Network Analyst > CCIE #11071 > CCNP, CCNA, CCDA, > NNCDS, NNCSS, CNE, MCSE > > www.cconlinelabs.com > Your #1 choice for online Cisco rack rentals. > > > > —–Original Message—– > From: Scott Morris [mailto:swm@emanon.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 7:57 AM > To: ‘Joshua Lauer’; ‘Tony Schaffran’; ‘CCIE LAB’ > Subject: RE: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP > lab??? > > > And perhaps the introduction of other exciting > interface types like SONET? > > —–Original Message—– > From: nobody@groupstudy.com > [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > Joshua Lauer > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:49 AM > To: Tony Schaffran; ‘CCIE LAB’ > Subject: Re: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP > lab??? > > L2TPV3 ? > > Afaik the 2800 doesnt support it > > jl > > > Joshua Lauer > > CCIE#16024 > CCNP, CCDP, CCSP, CCIP, RHCE, INFOSEC > > —– Original Message —– > From: “Tony Schaffran” > To: “‘CCIE LAB’” > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:48 AM > Subject: Introduction of the 7200 for the SP lab??? > > > > Can somebody explain to me why cisco is singling > > out this router for their > > SP lab? What can this particular router do that a > > > 2800 cannot do in a lab > > environment? I know the performance differences, > > but is there a fundamental > > difference in the IOS? > > > > >