Go CCIE Go!! - A Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert

Thanks. This helps me and gives me confidence that I am on the right track. I don’t want to be another security engineer who does not have a real solid understanding about what is going on underneath it all. I want to move way beyond my comfort zone and really learn.
I have met several “Security Experts” in Iraq who thought a simple “duh” command such as “mac-address-table static xxxx.yyyy.zzzz vlan xy drop” was the coolest command ever. When I experienced this, I had one of those “Scooby-doo” thoughts, “uh oh Shaggy”. And I am not exaggerating. I mean IANE’s, Information Assurance Network Engineers, are supposed have a solid foundation in network admin, processes, and design from a small to medium scale network, as well as be proficient in net sec. Yet, I have only met “MAYBE” a handful IANE’s who really understood what was going on. Most obtain their CCNA, and not their CCNP, but obtain their CCSP, then their CISSP to qualify for DOD contracts, assuming they are good to go on security clearances. They generally do not have at least “real” world CCNP level experience. It is MUCH worse with I.T. net-admins and sys-admins. For that matter, some of the net-admins hired by a couple of the DOD company’s out there, barely had their CCNA’s. Yet, they were responsible for the O&M of very large military networks. Sorry for saying this, but I loathe working with “TEST KING BABY’S”. My partner and I called them TKB’s, for short, because we would watch these contractors print out TestKing after TestKing, and still barely pass the exam. On many occasions, my partner and I had to take over the network, whenever these other contractors made enough mistakes to bring down the network. It was not even our job, but we were asked to step in. Once we corrected, stabilized and documented the network, we had to turn it back over to the other contractors, only to slowly watch them screw it up again. It still irritates the $*#&#Q out of me. So, I need to stop right here.
Sorry for the rant. Guess I am still venting.

—–Original Message—– From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson@googlemail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 12:30 PM To: Santi Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com Subject: Re: Multiple IEs
Certainly agree with that.
A have found lot of folks in security are really lacking in networking fundamentals surprisingly. Unlike yourself I think a lot of people just rapidly moved into it because it was seen as being the cool thing to do. A recall asking a security specialist some years back if vlans were employed to provide security on a particular network. He replied ‘oh no our security works at layer 2′
Go figure.
There are a myriad of things to learn concerning network security that go way beyond the stock stuff many security consultants espouse to know something about. DAI is just one of them.
—– Original Message —– From: “Santi” To: “‘Paul Dardinski’” Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 2:51 AM Subject: RE: Multiple IEs
>I would agree with that. Additionally, going for another might help to > round out your CCIE specialty. For instance, busting my butt for the CCIE > R&S would help me to better understand the underlying network, traffic and > flows when I wish to really tear up security. I have been in the security > field for 8 years now and still learning a lot. However, when I worked > with > a couple of engineers that had their CCIE R&S, this really forced me to > step > up and learn more about the network. In fact, they created IE level > problems > for me to solve and that had to be integrated into a security solution. > This > forced to learn about the various protocols and technologies much more > deeply. > > So, since I really wanted to be more than just someone with a single CCIE > in > security, I also wanted to assure myself that I had more than just a CCNP > level of expertise in networks. After working with CCIE R&S engineers, I > quickly learned that there was much more to the network which is paramount > to a real solid security design. So, I am studying for the IE R&S before > obtaining the IE Security. > > I hope this is a good plan. > > Santi > —–Original Message—– > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > Paul > Dardinski > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:51 PM > To: EdmondsSG@aol.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: RE: Multiple IEs > > I think it is because in the first one we all get kind of “weird” and > pretty much become study addicts:) > > PD (#16842) > > —–Original Message—– > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > EdmondsSG@aol.com > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:20 AM > To: ccielab@groupstudy.com > Subject: Multiple IEs > > Why do so many people get their first IE, then immediately go for a > second > (SP/VOICE/SECURITY)? > > Is almost like they get the IE in say R/S and think .. thats it ..I know > it > all now - I can move on to something else. > > But it takes years to become a true ‘EXPERT’ in any field - so dont let > the > certifications grandiose title fool ya! > > Build on what you have learnt through exam study - become a true expert > - > and you will be a man my son .. > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > Subscription information may be found at: > http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html