Go CCIE Go!! - A Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert

The couple of guys I know that have it its a get it and BS the rest of the requirements certification. I hope it is not like this on the whole as my experience is extremely anecdotal, but this is what I have seen.
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Rik Guyler wrote:
> It’s been awhile since I looked at this one but I recall there being an > annual education requirement also so it’s not just a get it and forget it > certification. > > CISSP is good for understanding the *soft* issues of security so for a > consultant, manager, information security officer it’s a good thing. For > an Engineer though, it won’t cover the hands-on details. > > Rik > > —–Original Message—– > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > Matthew Long > Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:10 AM > To: Cisco certification > Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification? > > I have been considering the CISSP on an off for some time, I look at it > as an option and as a large percentage of my work is security > consultancy it is useful to have the weight of a CISSP to sit along with > a CCIE. It also has the advantage of being a cert which is not tied to a > vendor take a look at > “http://www.networkworld.com/news/2008/111708-cisco-sec.html” . > > As to the ability to cheat, yes the CISSP is a written (I haven’t sat it > yet) but from what I have heard there is quite a bit of interpretation > required for the exam questions. It’s not like pass4suring your CCNA. > > And once you have passed your exam you have to be endorsed: > “Once a candidate has been notified they have successfully passed the > CISSP examination, he or she will be required to have his or her > application endorsed before the credential can be awarded. > > The endorser attests that the candidate’s assertions regarding > professional experience are true to the best of their knowledge, and > that the candidate is in good standing within the information security > industry.” > http://www.isc2.org/endorsement.aspx > > Now I not saying the endorsement isn’t fool proof, but, how many R&S > jockeys have won their spurs in the real world and how many are sat > tapping away on a dynamips lab? > > You pays you money and takes your choice. > > > —–Original Message—– > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of > Pavel Bykov > Sent: 18 November 2008 23:01 > To: Darby Weaver > Cc: darth router; Duncan Maccubbin; Cisco certification > Subject: Re: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification? > > One of the reasons CCIE has held up in high ranks over all those years > is > the thorough practical part, which inherently filters out paper-boys, or > certifications where people can cheat using TK, Pass4Sure, etc. > CISSP does not have that, and as far as I know, has only theoretical > part to > it. > Therefore it could have value HR-wise now, but weight of the cert it is > directly offseted by it’s demand and amount of people cheating their way > to > it. > > > > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Darby Weaver > wrote: > > > All, > > > > I’ve seen a lot of demand for the CISSP. > > > > It’s not that hard from a technical perspective but it is broad and > does > > require a little time to study for it. > > > > It has its place and some people with the CISSP are commanding greater > > salaries than a CCIE. > > > > But recall the CISSP is not assumed to have any specific knowledge of > > either > > a PIX/ASA nor Cisco. > > > > It’s a generalist certification very similar to the SANS GSEC. > > > > If you want to work in a Security capacity it’s kind of assumed to be > > there. > > > > So not a bad $500.00 or so investment for the exam or maybe > $4500-5000.00 > > for a class. > > > > Cheaper than a CCIE for sure. > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 4:28 PM, darth router > > >wrote: > > > > > Good conversation. I’ve seen it as a DoD contract requirement > before. I’d > > > probably look at it as a resume booster, but I do have to admit, > there > > was > > > good material with what I did read over, just boring, and not action > > packed > > > like working on cisco gear! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Duncan Maccubbin > > duncan.maccubbin@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > > > > How much did your CCIE teach you about Physical data center > security? > > > > Disaster recovery? Law? While it didn’t go into deep detail I > still > > > learned > > > > quit a bit. The CISSP is what it is which is not a vendor specific > > hands > > > on > > > > exam. > > > > > > > > “But to each is own… I worked at a company where like 5 people > got > > the > > > > CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a > pix… so > > > what > > > > does that tell you???” > > > > > > > > It tells me you have no clue what the CISSP exam is about. > > > > > > > > —–Original Message—– > > > > >From: Joseph Brunner > > > > >Sent: Nov 17, 2008 10:41 AM > > > > >To: “‘Diment, Andrew’” , ‘darth router’ > > > > darklordrouter@gmail.com>, ‘Cisco certification’ > ccielab@groupstudy.com > > > > > > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification? > > > > > > > > > >Right, I agree “knowledge is never useless” > > > > > > > > > >There is better security knowledge for today’s re-aligned world > in the > > > > >CCNA-SEC > > > > > > > > > >I wouldn’t even say the CISSP is an inch deep… it’s about a > > millimeter > > > > >deep, that’s why I think its worthless. The CCIE written’s are an > inch > > > > deep. > > > > > > > > > >But to each is own… I worked at a company where like 5 people > got > > the > > > > >CISSP. None of them could configure even the basic stuff on a > pix… > > so > > > > what > > > > >does that tell you??? > > > > > > > > > >-Joe > > > > > > > > > >—–Original Message—– > > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > Behalf > > Of > > > > >Diment, Andrew > > > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 10:26 AM > > > > >To: Joseph Brunner; darth router; Cisco certification > > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification? > > > > > > > > > >I don’t agree with your assessment that the CISSP is useless. > Does it > > > > >teach you to configure a firewall…no, but neither does a > college > > > > >degree. Would you consider that useless too? Knowledge is never > > > > >useless. > > > > > > > > > >You just need to take it for what it is, a 50,000 foot view of > all > > > > >aspects of security. A mile wide and an inch deep. By itself it > > might > > > > >not mean much, but it does show you went through the material and > > passed > > > > >the test. Anything, and I mean anything, that will move your > resume > > to > > > > >the “interview” pile is very useful. > > > > > > > > > >I very recently applied for a security job within my own company. > I > > got > > > > >a call from HR and the guys exact words were “you have a CCIE and > a > > > > >CISSP, I’m going to immediately forward your resume to the hiring > > > > >manager”. I had an interview 24 hours later. > > > > > > > > > >Andy > > > > > > > > > >—–Original Message—– > > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > Behalf > > Of > > > > >Joseph Brunner > > > > >Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 8:39 AM > > > > >To: ‘darth router’; ‘Cisco certification’ > > > > >Subject: RE: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification? > > > > > > > > > >OT is right.. search the archives… > > > > > > > > > >My thoughts - useless, now more than ever… > > > > > > > > > >Its bad in IT right now unless you can configure a firewall, not > tell > > us > > > > >we should have one. Unless you can configure a lockdown of a > voice > > over > > > > >ip network, not tell us we should lock down our voice over ip > network. > > > > >Get it? > > > > > > > > > >The CISSP is heavy on theory, but not many places have time for > > theories > > > > >any more… they are running their budgets on empty until at > least > > 2011. > > > > >Its time to roll up your sleeves and hit the datacenter. > > > > > > > > > >-Joe > > > > > > > > > >—–Original Message—– > > > > >From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On > Behalf > > Of > > > > >darth router > > > > >Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 8:58 PM > > > > >To: Cisco certification > > > > >Subject: OT What do you all think about CISSP certification? > > > > > > > > > >Anyone have it? 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